Oregon State at UIC
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Posts: 1466 (June 29, 2009 1:51 PM) Jerry Harkness Club |
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loyolagrad88 |
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Posts: 450 (June 29, 2009 2:10 PM) |
this should have been Loyola. No excuse John and Jim...no excuse. Have fun with you phony win v.s. St. Francis.
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CigarBoy |
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Posts: 5143 (June 29, 2009 2:40 PM) Gold Club |
There is a great excuse....................they couldn't match up on the dates.
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loyolagrad88 |
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Posts: 451 (June 29, 2009 2:59 PM) |
are you sure about that? When a Pac 10 comes calling you find a way to make it happen. They always seem to find a way for the Luthers, LeMoynes and St.
Francis' of the world.
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brot4britu |
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Posts: 535 (June 29, 2009 8:51 PM) |
Couple more non-moves such as this, and LUC will prove to me that we are second raters---Pity !!
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jim |
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Posts: 1115 (June 29, 2009 10:11 PM) Derek Molis Club |
You are right on this one 88, when a PAC 10 team is willing to come to you take it. Losing it to UIC makes it worse.
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loyolagrad88 |
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Posts: 453 (June 30, 2009 8:14 AM) |
But at the end of the day Jim W. believes the win is more important. I wonder if he thinks people don't look at who you actually beat. As far as the
schedule goes, it would be near impossible to get an at large bid to the dance. You can't schedule your way in. Maybe Whitesell is hoping for the CBA or
CBI so he can brag how Loyola reached the post season for the first time since 1985. In this day it is sad if you don't make a post season tourney, when it
is getting close to 1/3 of the teams that do. Another example of the coach putting himself first over the fans.
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jim |
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Posts: 1116 (June 30, 2009 10:17 AM) Derek Molis Club |
88,
The only way into the NCAA for us is to win the Horizon tournament. Pure and simple. Since I expect us to finish in the lower part of the conference, I do not see the the NIT or CBI either. |
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Greybee62 |
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Posts: 704 (June 30, 2009 3:18 PM) Benchwarmer Club |
It is easy to blame JW but not totally fair
Not to be repetetive but the strength of the schedule is simply not that important to the program. I don't know why any one even gives the schedule a second glance. Until the coach and the AD gets a directive from the prez telling them " scheduling teams that matter matters and that their jobs are on the line unless they start putting out a marketable product , they are gone," it will be same O same O I don't read anything the Athletic Department puts out. Why bother. they simply are the PR department of an administration that does not get it. Don't blame the program. It is not it's fault. I hate to say it because I really like the coach but.... you will know that a competitive bball program matters at LU the moment Jim Whitsell is fired. Don't bother start passing petitions - we don't matter either |
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Greybee62 |
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Posts: 704 (June 30, 2009 3:20 PM) Benchwarmer Club |
It is easy to blame JW but not totally fair
Not to be repetetive but the strength of the schedule is simply not that important to the program. I don't know why any one even gives the schedule a second glance. Until the coach and the AD gets a directive from the prez telling them " scheduling teams that matter matters and that their jobs are on the line unless they start putting out a marketable product , they are gone," it will be same O same O I don't read anything the Athletic Department puts out. Why bother. they simply are the PR department of an administration that does not get it. Don't blame the program. It is not it's fault. I hate to say it because I really like the coach but.... you will know that a competitive bball program matters at LU the moment Jim Whitsell is fired. Don't bother start passing petitions - we don't matter either |
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Greybee62 |
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Posts: 704 (June 30, 2009 3:20 PM) Benchwarmer Club |
It is easy to blame JW but not totally fair
Not to be repetetive but the strength of the schedule is simply not that important to the program. I don't know why any one even gives the schedule a second glance. Until the coach and the AD gets a directive from the prez telling them " scheduling teams that matter matters and that their jobs are on the line unless they start putting out a marketable product , they are gone," it will be same O same O I don't read anything the Athletic Department puts out. Why bother. they simply are the PR department of an administration that does not get it. Don't blame the program. It is not it's fault. I hate to say it because I really like the coach but.... you will know that a competitive bball program matters at LU the moment Jim Whitsell is fired. Don't bother start passing petitions - we don't matter either |
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loyolagrad88 |
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Posts: 456 (June 30, 2009 3:50 PM) |
"you will know that a competitive bball program matters at LU the moment Jim Whitsell is fired"
WOW perfectly said! |
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jim |
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Posts: 1118 (June 30, 2009 5:32 PM) Derek Molis Club |
I would not expect the administration to handle the schedule. They will let him run his program like a teacher runs his class. Unless he does something that
breaks the rules, he will not be terminated early.
I do not agree with Greybee that it will continue. They will not eat two years of a contract. Whitesell will have two years to show progress. If he has two back to back losing seasons, he will be let go and we will move on. At this point it is what it is. What I mean by that is Whitesell will live and die with these last two class of recruits. His second year players have his future riding with them. With only three seniors in Polka, Thomas and Van Weelden plus only two juniors in Hill and McCammon it is a long shot in my mind. |
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Greybee62 |
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Posts: 707 (June 30, 2009 6:56 PM) Benchwarmer Club |
Friend Jim
I see you have decided to agree with me that LU will not eat Jim W's contract I find it ironic that you, an accountant - use to dealing with hard facts, are so Pollannaish re the future of the program while I, a Liberal Arts major, use to thinking out of the box , is so objective in my analysis. True, the administration does not tell the professor how to run his class but they sure do expect an excellent product. I agree with you or, rather , you agree with me. As long as Jim W runs a clean program , the schedule, W/L and any other area of the bball program is not important. Consider us a very high level D2 or 3 program - a poor man's U of C bball program , if you will. You say that within 2 years the program will improve or JW will be gone. I suppose it is all about your definition of what improvement is. If it is based on SOS or W/L , I will wager you that you won't see any and JW will get an extention |
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Ramblin On |
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Posts: 830 (June 30, 2009 7:30 PM) Benchwarmer Club |
I hate to see LUs record in another two years. Every team in the league the last few years with a only a couple of exceptions has maintained high levels, or
upgraded, their coaching staff. Some, like CSU and YSU, have made remarkable turnarounds. And the teams that haven't improved coaches, like UIC and
Valpo, at least recruit players with a lot of upside-- not the lumbering stiffs from suburban Wisconsin high schools who peak physically at age 16 and only get
bulkier and slower with age. Being competitive, much less winning, will get harder every day for whatever coach eventually replaces Whitesell.
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jim |
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Posts: 1119 (June 30, 2009 7:40 PM) Derek Molis Club |
I am not sure it is not important. It is they do not want have the negative impact of kids flunking out like Lyne and Sullivan. They could have status quo with
Farmer and had talent but not made progress. If the administration did not care he would still be here. Actually Will Rey would be in his 15th (a guess and do
not care to look it up.)
When Whitesell got his extention, we won 21 games. We played Princeton, Ohio State, St Louis, Purdue, Bradley. So it was a pretty good schedule. At that time it made sense. All Whitesell gambles have not paid off. McCammon has not yet worked out. Cerasoli and Foreman did not meet expectations. I will disagree with you and say that if Whitesell has two losing seasons making 4 in a row and 6 out of 8 he does not get an extention and he is out with one year left on the contract. His future is in the hands of Hicks, Gibler, Benkoskie and Stanley with the possibility of Hill. He can have next year as rebuilding so he should use it wisely. |
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Posts: 193 (June 30, 2009 10:01 PM) |
Ramblin On The reason you contribute to our poor record is all due to Wisconsin recruits get real. Have you followed any of these kids from freshman on up I
don't thinks so. It not because of Wisconsin recruits. It's play like last year not sharing the ball no team play it was about Justin with 94 turnover
only shooting .378% on F/G and 2.9 on assist per game. Then take Boomer 7.1 point per game 0.6 assist per game and 4.9 boards a game is he a suburban Wisconsin
recruit. It seems to me that Milwaukee an GB with there Wisconsin recruits had no problem beating us. I think this year you will find a team that will play
together have leadership and be headed in the right direction. I'm not saying they are going to win the Horizon or have a 20 game win season but I think in
most game you will see a competitive team and a group of great young men that will come together.
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Ramblin On |
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Posts: 831 (July 1, 2009 1:21 AM) Benchwarmer Club |
Look at the high school ppg/rebounds stats of the Wisconsin recruits of UWM and Green Bay and you will see that they are way higher than Whitesell's
recruits. His typical forward/center recruit hails from a suburban Wisconsin locality; is 6-7/220; averaged 15 points and eight rebounds in high school
against much weaker kids; and for some reason is a pre-med major.
Last Edited By: Ramblin On
July 1, 2009 1:27 AM.
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brot4britu |
Critical-- | ||
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Posts: 537 (July 1, 2009 10:20 AM) |
All of us have contributed mightily re W and his upcoming bunch. Too Wisc, too not enough Chgo--no big man and on and on.
My take is--this next addition had better strap it up and WIN. No excuses--Just win--The waiting and all the disappointments are over for ol' Brot. LUC is either truly big time or it should drop it--I know I shall if another failure hits. I do however feel we will be a ton better than last year. We soon will find out. |
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Greybee62 |
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Posts: 708 (July 1, 2009 10:27 AM) Benchwarmer Club |
Jim
Regardless, in either case Farmer would have been fired for not putting in the time. . JW was hired because he was and is a hard worker. The administration
under FrP would have hired him to turn things around and he was cheap. The Fr G administration would have hired him because he was a hard worker who had
sucess on a lower level, graduated his players and was cheap and Fr G was new to the U and did not want to be bothered. He will stay for those very same
reasons unless LU changes direction , hires a coach that will want to win and the administration will pony up the ( big ) bucks to get the job done -
Possible??? sure , in our dreams.
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Greybee62 |
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Posts: 709 (July 1, 2009 10:44 AM) Benchwarmer Club |
Ramblin and 14
Call me inconsistant but I agree with you both I think next year will be a big year for JW. He has talent and a new team. he needs to show that he can coach. I think he really blew it when he did not recruit a talented 5 but he can suceed if he is a good coach I do think he is to relient on the Wisc recruits. 14 and I have had many good discussions on that end. There are very good players in Wisc but we are not getting the very good recruits in my opinion. Levin, JR, Andy, Ben and AV may have had great HS careers but no one could say they have had great college careers ( exclude A & B from this point - their judgement time is coming ) Lately, I am beginning to think it is not all on them. Have they had the right coaching? I don't know. What I do know is I believe that good bench coaching was largely absent during the last 2 years. Like I said. This year is the year JW needs to show if he can coach. According to Jim, if he does not produce, he is gone in 2 years. Like I said, W/L do not seem important to the administration so he might be here for as long as Fr G is here. Hope JW turns it around. Hope Jim never has to worry about the 2 years because we have turned it around. Hope I have to buy Jim a drink - which is, of course , dependent on Jim having the courage of his convictions and takes my bet |
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